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Refuse Ordinary means rejecting a lifeless and distant faith and embracing a real, radical and vibrant relationship with Jesus Christ. Join us as we Refuse Ordinary and pursue the powerful an extradordinary life that Jesus promises!



Do you struggle with approaching Jesus? Do you feel like you have to be a certain way for Him to accept you?

In Episode 1, we are joined by School of Transformation student, Kevin Kornelsen, and one of the senior pastors of the Father's House Church, Vicki Orsillo. We go into Kevin's story of figuring out the answers to the above questions. We talk about identity and how Jesus loves us into a place of wanting to be with Him and do what brings Him joy. We also discuss the opportunity we have to make a choice—to choose to believe what Jesus says and does and let that change us. And to top it all off, we chat about what grace really means in our relationship with Jesus.

This episode is packed with perspective, truth, and real encounters with who Jesus is.

Build Your Confidence

"You know these gifts, they're not really for me."

In Episode 2 of Refuse Ordinary Season 2, Erica Slejko goes into detail of her journey with finding the confidence to use her giftings. Erica is joined by Ryan Kelly and they discuss what it takes to use the things they've been called to do—the work and dedication to learning. They talk about seperating identity from giftings, and not letting self-worth be wrapped up in performance.

Confidence, identity, and hard work—this episode is jam-packed with inspiration!

The Decision Moment

"What would the best response to Jesus be for all that He's doing for me?"

In Episode 3 of Refuse Ordinary Season 2, Blaine Sem tells the story of how he went from a church-going, family man to living in his car, addicted to drugs, and how a pursuit of Jesus from that place of desperation led to a complete transformation in his life.

Johnny Bowers joins him in this episode, sharing his own journey from a heavy metal band lifestyle to a pastor of the Father's House Church in the very town he grew up in.

They discuss finding trustworthy people to follow and how their journey isn't complete, that it's a continual journey of doing the next right thing.

The Call In Front Of You

"He's in charge of the journey, and I just have to follow what's in front of me."

In Episode 4 of Refuse Ordinary, Michelle Carr talks about the goals she had that were motivated by wealth and success, leaving her feeling unfulfilled, and how the Lord challenged her to trust Him and pursue His visions for her life. Her story involves surrender and learning to believe that Jesus has her best interest in mind.

Maria McWhorter joins Michelle on this episode, sharing her own experience with following God's will, which involved seeing the need in front of her and figuring out what she had to give, resulting in a journey she would not have expected.

A Purpose With Passion

In Episode 5 of Refuse Ordinary, Galen Reimer discusses the leap of faith he took in coming to the School of Transformation—leaving a successful career after struggling internally, and finding a new purpose in his giftings. He describes how there's been a shift from using his gifts for himself, to actually finding a passion to teach others what he knows.

Galen is joined by Lisa Kelly, who talks about the character refinement that has had to take place in her life as she learned to use her giftings to truly bless those around her.

It's a discussion of passion, joy, and fulfillment in using your giftings alongside the One who has given them.

Come Alive

"We want some big formula...but, see here's the secret, it's something simple, but it's, 'I just have to trust Jesus.'"

In our final episode of Refuse Ordinary, Season 2, Miruna Veenhuis shares her story of facing earth-shattering circumstances as a Christian and how it shook her faith, causing her to question what other Christians had that she didn't. She shares how coming to the the School of Transformation revealed to her a life where she knew that she was actually living out the words of Jesus, which in turn helped her find out who she was created to be.

Nathan Taylor joins the conversation, sharing how just doing what Jesus says to do actually helped him to come alive and lifted his confusion surrounding Christianity.

Take a listen to this truth-packed, encouraging look at finding a Christianity built on the words of Jesus.



What defines you? When it comes to knowing who you are, who gets the final say? It may seem straightforward, but the truth is, it’s easy to get confused. We’re surrounded by a world where our circumstances, our society, and our experiences constantly try to define our identity. So where can you find the truth of who you are and who you were created to be? For Episode 1, we’re joined by Chloe Wellsand, graduate and teacher of The Father’s House School of Transformation to talk about the importance of letting Jesus tell us who we are.


Does your faith feel dry? Do you often wonder if you’re missing something or if there’s something more to life following Jesus? If that sounds like you, you’re not alone! So what does it take to replace that dry faith with one that’s fruitful and overflowing? We’re joined this week by Ryan Kelly, Worship Pastor at The Father’s House Church and the leader and graduate of the School of Transformation. Ryan shares how one simple perspective shift made all the difference for him, unlocking a whole new level of loving and serving Jesus.


Do you ever feel lonely or lost in your Christian walk? Do you wish you had someone to learn from and point you in the right direction? Christianity was meant to be done with others, following those who are going the right way, just as the disciples followed Jesus. In a culture where there’s a heavy emphasis on independence, Jesus calls us to follow. This is where discipleship comes in. We as Christians need the help and support of others in order to help us stick to the path that leads to Jesus. If our goal is to look more like Jesus, we need to be following someone whose goal every day is to look more like Jesus. Yet not everyone who claims to have a relationship with Jesus is someone who would be safe to follow. It is important to examine a person's fruit to see that they really are someone that you can learn from as you press on towards Jesus. It may not be easy, but it will be worth it.


How would you define love? Do you find this subject to be confusing, sometimes bringing up more questions than answers? These days it feels like everyone has their own definition of love, and some definitions of love seem to produce results that imply love was never really present. So instead of coming up with our own definition of love, maybe it's time we listen to Jesus' definition of love. Jesus loved with complete selflessness. He gave it all, from a genuine place, and changed people's lives no matter who they were. We need to let Jesus' definition of love become our definition of love and decide to partner with Him and love the one in front of us.


In a time where the focus seems to be on self-care and setting boundaries, what is our life with Jesus really supposed to look like? Does the idea of giving everything for Jesus sound daunting or burdensome? Giving your life away is about a response to Jesus and who He is in your life. A relationship with Jesus is not transactional. It is not about giving so that you can get something in return. Jesus already gave us the greatest gift, and we have the opportunity to respond to what He has given us. We actually get to partner with what Jesus is doing. All that He is is more than enough to fill us up as we respond to the calling on our lives to love those around us.


Do you feel stuck on seeing the vision for your life? Do you wonder what God is calling you to? Something that gets overlooked quite often is the importance of following another person's vision. Following another's vision can actually be following your vision as you allow God to use people and experiences to prepare you for what He has for you. When you feel stuck or have a hard time dreaming sometimes the best thing to do is to just take a step. What you may need is to get some momentum and let others come alongside you as you move forward. Sometimes instead of knowing the whole layout of the house, you'll have to just walk into the room right in front of you.

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